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	<title>Comments on: Why not hybrid embryos?</title>
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		<title>By: Thom Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for your helpful rejoinders, David. I do not think we disagree. On your points:

(a) The argument is found in the link, as you suspect. It is also recorded in the MP&#039;s debates in the House of Commons.

(b) By &quot;full account of morality,&quot; I do not want to suggest we must have a fully worked view of morality. Instead, my language is too loose. Rather, my claim is that to claim &quot;x is morally wrong&quot; is question-begging. That some action, etc. is morally wrong is rarely, if ever, obvious. I am claiming that some of those against the legislation thought it was obvious that hybrid embryos were immoral.

(c) I am only claiming that those who state that hybrid embryos are morally wrong are mistaken to think it is obvious: the position requires more argument from them, not us, as it is they who are trying to convince us these embryos are immoral. I am asking the question of how we might know this.

(d) You understand me correctly: an old fashioned positivist view of law (e.g., law and morality are not inextricably bound).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for your helpful rejoinders, David. I do not think we disagree. On your points:</p>
<p>(a) The argument is found in the link, as you suspect. It is also recorded in the MP&#8217;s debates in the House of Commons.</p>
<p>(b) By &#8220;full account of morality,&#8221; I do not want to suggest we must have a fully worked view of morality. Instead, my language is too loose. Rather, my claim is that to claim &#8220;x is morally wrong&#8221; is question-begging. That some action, etc. is morally wrong is rarely, if ever, obvious. I am claiming that some of those against the legislation thought it was obvious that hybrid embryos were immoral.</p>
<p>(c) I am only claiming that those who state that hybrid embryos are morally wrong are mistaken to think it is obvious: the position requires more argument from them, not us, as it is they who are trying to convince us these embryos are immoral. I am asking the question of how we might know this.</p>
<p>(d) You understand me correctly: an old fashioned positivist view of law (e.g., law and morality are not inextricably bound).</p>
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		<title>By: David Killoren</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Killoren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also support this sort of thing (although I don&#039;t know much about this particular legislation) but I&#039;m confused by several parts of this post.

a. You say (in (1)) that &quot;There are several problems with this argument.&quot;  What argument?  No argument is provided for our consideration; it looks to me as though what you&#039;ve got is a bare conclusion unsupported by any argument.  (Are we supposed to have found the argument in one of the links?)

b. &quot;It is no use to say that x is “morally wrong” without a full account of morality...&quot;  This is not at all obvious to me!  Does anyone anywhere have a full account of morality?  I think not -- but we all seem to go around making moral judgments anyway.

c. &quot;... not least as there are many different camps and what is wrong (and right) is not self evident.&quot;  Again, this isn&#039;t obviously true (to me).

d. You say &quot;that a view is morally wrong may be insufficient to demonstrate that the view should not be adopted politically.&quot;  What does it mean for a view to be &quot;morally wrong&quot;?  But I think I get the point here: I think you mean that the fact that an action is morally wrong does not, by itself, tell us anything about what the law should be.  If that&#039;s your point, it seems true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also support this sort of thing (although I don&#8217;t know much about this particular legislation) but I&#8217;m confused by several parts of this post.</p>
<p>a. You say (in (1)) that &#8220;There are several problems with this argument.&#8221;  What argument?  No argument is provided for our consideration; it looks to me as though what you&#8217;ve got is a bare conclusion unsupported by any argument.  (Are we supposed to have found the argument in one of the links?)</p>
<p>b. &#8220;It is no use to say that x is “morally wrong” without a full account of morality&#8230;&#8221;  This is not at all obvious to me!  Does anyone anywhere have a full account of morality?  I think not &#8212; but we all seem to go around making moral judgments anyway.</p>
<p>c. &#8220;&#8230; not least as there are many different camps and what is wrong (and right) is not self evident.&#8221;  Again, this isn&#8217;t obviously true (to me).</p>
<p>d. You say &#8220;that a view is morally wrong may be insufficient to demonstrate that the view should not be adopted politically.&#8221;  What does it mean for a view to be &#8220;morally wrong&#8221;?  But I think I get the point here: I think you mean that the fact that an action is morally wrong does not, by itself, tell us anything about what the law should be.  If that&#8217;s your point, it seems true.</p>
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